Comments on: Why I’m NOT quitting Facebook http://davepress.net/2010/05/16/why-im-not-quitting-facebook/ Using the internet to make government more interesting Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:22:05 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Ingrid Koehler http://davepress.net/2010/05/16/why-im-not-quitting-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-7057 Ingrid Koehler Wed, 19 May 2010 21:09:23 +0000 http://davepress.net/?p=3681#comment-7057 Great discussion. I'm a Facebook addict. I use it every day. For about 5 to 10 minutes. I love the birthday feature. I love it that it's where my friends are and I can message all my uni friends at one go and we can all see the response more clearly than email. Like a lot of commenters, my life is already all over the net. Whatever. The only thing that I share in Facebook that I don't share elsewhere is my political allegiance. In my line of work, I don't want to cloud the issue in Twitter or blogs (even my personal one). Occasionally my politics are reflected in posts and of course you can poke around in my groups. But if you ask me directly, I will tell you which party I support anyway. After a drink. You buy. Anyway, I grew up in a small town where I was related to half the people anyway. I had less privacy living there than through anything I disclose in Facebook. Great discussion. I’m a Facebook addict. I use it every day. For about 5 to 10 minutes. I love the birthday feature. I love it that it’s where my friends are and I can message all my uni friends at one go and we can all see the response more clearly than email.

Like a lot of commenters, my life is already all over the net. Whatever. The only thing that I share in Facebook that I don’t share elsewhere is my political allegiance. In my line of work, I don’t want to cloud the issue in Twitter or blogs (even my personal one). Occasionally my politics are reflected in posts and of course you can poke around in my groups. But if you ask me directly, I will tell you which party I support anyway. After a drink. You buy.

Anyway, I grew up in a small town where I was related to half the people anyway. I had less privacy living there than through anything I disclose in Facebook.

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By: goracainparis (Anna Gough) http://davepress.net/2010/05/16/why-im-not-quitting-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-7052 goracainparis (Anna Gough) Wed, 19 May 2010 14:11:52 +0000 http://davepress.net/?p=3681#comment-7052 <strong>Twitter Comment</strong> <a href="http://twitter.com/goracainparis" title="Twitter Comment" rel="nofollow"> <div class="ccimg1" title="goracainparis (Anna Gough)" style="float:left;margin-right:10px;padding:0;width:60px;height:60px;"> <img name="cc_image" title="goracainparis (Anna Gough)" style="float:left;margin-right:10px;padding:0;width:50px;height:50px;" src="http://purl.org/net/spiurl/goracainparis"> </div> </a> I'm staying too! RT @presleysylwia: Why I’m NOT quitting Facebook [link to post]<br /><br /> - <a href="http://chatcatcher.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Posted using Chat Catcher</a> Twitter Comment


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By: nfpvoice (Voice) http://davepress.net/2010/05/16/why-im-not-quitting-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-7051 nfpvoice (Voice) Wed, 19 May 2010 13:03:59 +0000 http://davepress.net/?p=3681#comment-7051 <strong>Twitter Comment</strong> <a href="http://twitter.com/nfpvoice" title="Twitter Comment" rel="nofollow"> <div class="ccimg1" title="nfpvoice (Voice)" style="float:left;margin-right:10px;padding:0;width:60px;height:60px;"> <img name="cc_image" title="nfpvoice (Voice)" style="float:left;margin-right:10px;padding:0;width:50px;height:50px;" src="http://purl.org/net/spiurl/nfpvoice"> </div> </a> RT @presleysylwia: Why I’m NOT quitting Facebook [link to post]<br /><br /> - <a href="http://chatcatcher.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Posted using Chat Catcher</a> Twitter Comment


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By: sarahatcarve (Sarah Thomas) http://davepress.net/2010/05/16/why-im-not-quitting-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-7050 sarahatcarve (Sarah Thomas) Wed, 19 May 2010 13:02:56 +0000 http://davepress.net/?p=3681#comment-7050 <strong>Twitter Comment</strong> <a href="http://twitter.com/sarahatcarve" title="Twitter Comment" rel="nofollow"> <div class="ccimg1" title="sarahatcarve (Sarah Thomas)" style="float:left;margin-right:10px;padding:0;width:60px;height:60px;"> <img name="cc_image" title="sarahatcarve (Sarah Thomas)" style="float:left;margin-right:10px;padding:0;width:50px;height:50px;" src="http://purl.org/net/spiurl/sarahatcarve"> </div> </a> RT @Sectorshare: Thinking of leaving Facebook? Reasons why you may not want to just yet by @davebriggs [link to post]<br /><br /> - <a href="http://chatcatcher.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Posted using Chat Catcher</a> Twitter Comment


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By: sectorshare (Sectorshare) http://davepress.net/2010/05/16/why-im-not-quitting-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-7049 sectorshare (Sectorshare) Wed, 19 May 2010 13:02:08 +0000 http://davepress.net/?p=3681#comment-7049 <strong>Twitter Comment</strong> <a href="http://twitter.com/sectorshare" title="Twitter Comment" rel="nofollow"> <div class="ccimg1" title="sectorshare (Sectorshare)" style="float:left;margin-right:10px;padding:0;width:60px;height:60px;"> <img name="cc_image" title="sectorshare (Sectorshare)" style="float:left;margin-right:10px;padding:0;width:50px;height:50px;" src="http://purl.org/net/spiurl/sectorshare"> </div> </a> Thinking of leaving Facebook? Reasons why you may not want to just yet by @davebriggs [link to post]<br /><br /> - <a href="http://chatcatcher.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Posted using Chat Catcher</a> Twitter Comment


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By: presleysylwia (Sylwia Presley) http://davepress.net/2010/05/16/why-im-not-quitting-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-7048 presleysylwia (Sylwia Presley) Wed, 19 May 2010 12:58:55 +0000 http://davepress.net/?p=3681#comment-7048 <strong>Twitter Comment</strong> <a href="http://twitter.com/presleysylwia" title="Twitter Comment" rel="nofollow"> <div class="ccimg1" title="presleysylwia (Sylwia Presley)" style="float:left;margin-right:10px;padding:0;width:60px;height:60px;"> <img name="cc_image" title="presleysylwia (Sylwia Presley)" style="float:left;margin-right:10px;padding:0;width:50px;height:50px;" src="http://purl.org/net/spiurl/presleysylwia"> </div> </a> Why I’m NOT quitting Facebook [link to post]<br /><br /> - <a href="http://chatcatcher.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Posted using Chat Catcher</a> Twitter Comment


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By: Andrew Beeken http://davepress.net/2010/05/16/why-im-not-quitting-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-7035 Andrew Beeken Tue, 18 May 2010 09:42:34 +0000 http://davepress.net/?p=3681#comment-7035 Actually, Adrian, that's a really excellent point. A lot of the discussion over Facebook has been the impact to personal users, however there is also potential impact to business users who have built it into their business model. I believe I saw something like this referenced as a "Silver Bullet" where organisations build a reliance on third party tech to a level that impacts them greatly should either something go wrong with said tech, or something happen that they feel they cannot include it in their business model any more. I think Silver Bullets are unfortunately unavoidable, however, as people strive to implement new systems at reduced or zero budgets to meet the growing demands and expectations of their users. For example, at Lincoln we rely a lot on Google services such as Maps, Calendar and FeedBurner and services such as Yahoo Pipes. What were to happen if Google decided to charge for its services? Or changed its ToS to something that we as an organisation could not agree to? What if the notoriously flaky Pipes were to vanish? We need contingencies for these instances but, for many organistions, it's simply too much of a quick win. Actually, Adrian, that’s a really excellent point. A lot of the discussion over Facebook has been the impact to personal users, however there is also potential impact to business users who have built it into their business model.

I believe I saw something like this referenced as a “Silver Bullet” where organisations build a reliance on third party tech to a level that impacts them greatly should either something go wrong with said tech, or something happen that they feel they cannot include it in their business model any more.

I think Silver Bullets are unfortunately unavoidable, however, as people strive to implement new systems at reduced or zero budgets to meet the growing demands and expectations of their users. For example, at Lincoln we rely a lot on Google services such as Maps, Calendar and FeedBurner and services such as Yahoo Pipes. What were to happen if Google decided to charge for its services? Or changed its ToS to something that we as an organisation could not agree to? What if the notoriously flaky Pipes were to vanish? We need contingencies for these instances but, for many organistions, it’s simply too much of a quick win.

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By: Adrian Short http://davepress.net/2010/05/16/why-im-not-quitting-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-7032 Adrian Short Mon, 17 May 2010 14:32:40 +0000 http://davepress.net/?p=3681#comment-7032 I'm still keeping my Facebook account open for professional reasons but my advice to those considering using FB in their organisation has moved from "proceed with caution" to "avoid entirely". Sadly, I have to stay a member to keep up with just how dreadful it is. The danger comes when an organisation moves from using FB as an additional channel for communicating with people to it being an exclusive one for some kinds of interactions. Want to join the discussion? You've got to be a FB member. That means encouraging/requiring people to agree to FB's TOS that are highly injurious to personal privacy. That's something that no reputable organisation should do. The power of FB hold-outs and apostates is that they check the spread of this kind of behaviour. All power to them. I’m still keeping my Facebook account open for professional reasons but my advice to those considering using FB in their organisation has moved from “proceed with caution” to “avoid entirely”.

Sadly, I have to stay a member to keep up with just how dreadful it is.

The danger comes when an organisation moves from using FB as an additional channel for communicating with people to it being an exclusive one for some kinds of interactions. Want to join the discussion? You’ve got to be a FB member. That means encouraging/requiring people to agree to FB’s TOS that are highly injurious to personal privacy. That’s something that no reputable organisation should do.

The power of FB hold-outs and apostates is that they check the spread of this kind of behaviour. All power to them.

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By: Andrew Beeken http://davepress.net/2010/05/16/why-im-not-quitting-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-7029 Andrew Beeken Mon, 17 May 2010 07:33:25 +0000 http://davepress.net/?p=3681#comment-7029 As always, an interesting discussion rather than the tabloid "Facebook is Evil!!! Ban social networks!!! They'll come for your kids!!!" that the Daily Mail (and most other "Media" outlets) would have us believe. Trust you for such level headedness, Dave! Anyway, I'm sticking with Facebook. I will admit that I'm not happy with the way that they constantly chop and change their privacy settings, sometimes to the detriment of levels previously set by users; I know what I'm doing in this field so I can keep on top of things like settings, but for other less educated users I can see how tweaking the vast forest of checkboxes can be a logistical nightmare. For me Facebook is my walled garden (or at least as walled as I want it to be). When I first emerged onto the internet scene about five years ago, I kept a very public blog, talked about my family and what we were doing, uploaded photos of them to Flickr and suchlike. I never shared any personal inforamtion such as location, or other contact details, but as I kept on with this I became more and more uneasy. The internet is a powerful thing, for good or ill, and if you're not careful on it you can come a cropper. So when Facebook came along, I uprooted all of my personal content and focussed on Facebook as my primary means of sharing what my family is doing with a select group of people who would reasonably care. These are family members, old friends; anyone I've met in real life. My cardinal rule is - if I've not met them, I'm not happy adding them (although I do make exceptions). I still don't put personal information on there such as my postal address or telephone number; only email. I think that a lot of the issues here are media brouhaha and the perceptions of "entry level" users - this is reasonable however I do think that the sheer amount of options available does allow for a greater degree of customisation in your privacy. I think that as smartphones gain a greater market penetration, allowing people to always be connected to these networks (as I have for some time on my bog standard Nokia and now to a far greater depth on my Android) they become far more relevant and a valid third tier in our communication framework. As always, an interesting discussion rather than the tabloid “Facebook is Evil!!! Ban social networks!!! They’ll come for your kids!!!” that the Daily Mail (and most other “Media” outlets) would have us believe. Trust you for such level headedness, Dave!

Anyway, I’m sticking with Facebook. I will admit that I’m not happy with the way that they constantly chop and change their privacy settings, sometimes to the detriment of levels previously set by users; I know what I’m doing in this field so I can keep on top of things like settings, but for other less educated users I can see how tweaking the vast forest of checkboxes can be a logistical nightmare.

For me Facebook is my walled garden (or at least as walled as I want it to be). When I first emerged onto the internet scene about five years ago, I kept a very public blog, talked about my family and what we were doing, uploaded photos of them to Flickr and suchlike. I never shared any personal inforamtion such as location, or other contact details, but as I kept on with this I became more and more uneasy. The internet is a powerful thing, for good or ill, and if you’re not careful on it you can come a cropper.

So when Facebook came along, I uprooted all of my personal content and focussed on Facebook as my primary means of sharing what my family is doing with a select group of people who would reasonably care. These are family members, old friends; anyone I’ve met in real life. My cardinal rule is – if I’ve not met them, I’m not happy adding them (although I do make exceptions). I still don’t put personal information on there such as my postal address or telephone number; only email.

I think that a lot of the issues here are media brouhaha and the perceptions of “entry level” users – this is reasonable however I do think that the sheer amount of options available does allow for a greater degree of customisation in your privacy. I think that as smartphones gain a greater market penetration, allowing people to always be connected to these networks (as I have for some time on my bog standard Nokia and now to a far greater depth on my Android) they become far more relevant and a valid third tier in our communication framework.

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By: sookio (sookio) http://davepress.net/2010/05/16/why-im-not-quitting-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-7027 sookio (sookio) Sun, 16 May 2010 21:07:59 +0000 http://davepress.net/?p=3681#comment-7027 <strong>Twitter Comment</strong> <a href="http://twitter.com/sookio" title="Twitter Comment" rel="nofollow"> <div class="ccimg1" title="sookio (sookio)" style="float:left;margin-right:10px;padding:0;width:60px;height:60px;"> <img name="cc_image" title="sookio (sookio)" style="float:left;margin-right:10px;padding:0;width:50px;height:50px;" src="http://purl.org/net/spiurl/sookio"> </div> </a> @davebriggs great post, particularly with you on 1 and 4<br /><br /> - <a href="http://chatcatcher.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Posted using Chat Catcher</a> Twitter Comment


@davebriggs great post, particularly with you on 1 and 4

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