Comments on: How not to blog anonymously http://davepress.net/2008/03/19/how-not-to-blog-anonymously/ Using the internet to make government more interesting Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:06:57 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Socialreporter | Finding a second voice http://davepress.net/2008/03/19/how-not-to-blog-anonymously/comment-page-1/#comment-1928 Socialreporter | Finding a second voice Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:49:22 +0000 http://davepress.net/2008/03/19/how-not-to-blog-anonymously/#comment-1928 [...] other day Dave Briggs spotted a blog called The UK Libertarian. It had one post which was a rant again government spending and civil [...] [...] other day Dave Briggs spotted a blog called The UK Libertarian. It had one post which was a rant again government spending and civil [...]

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By: Finding a second voice « Socialreporter http://davepress.net/2008/03/19/how-not-to-blog-anonymously/comment-page-1/#comment-674 Finding a second voice « Socialreporter Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:31:18 +0000 http://davepress.net/2008/03/19/how-not-to-blog-anonymously/#comment-674 [...] other day Dave Briggs spotted a blog called The UK Libertarian. It had one post which was a rant again government spending and civil [...] [...] other day Dave Briggs spotted a blog called The UK Libertarian. It had one post which was a rant again government spending and civil [...]

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By: David http://davepress.net/2008/03/19/how-not-to-blog-anonymously/comment-page-1/#comment-672 David Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:19:33 +0000 http://davepress.net/2008/03/19/how-not-to-blog-anonymously/#comment-672 I was going to write a comment here yesterday - then decided that because I'm not a civil servant, my concerns are of no value. However, it seems to me that there's a category mistake being made here, in which anonymity is generalised from the social web to employment generally and from there to the entire Web. Not good. Context is important here, and is the only setting in which the original comments about anonymity make sense. On that basis I would prefer that the context was referenced each time the discussion came up, to keep it distinct from the myriad situations where anonymity is both prudent and helpful. In that vein, one example nobody has mentioned is the debilitating effect of fame, such that a well-known personality unduly shapes people's opinions via popular standing. (On that basis, <i>everyone</i> should have a secret alter-ego!) To sum up, blanket generalisations are unhelpful, regardless of whether they are made <i>by</i> anonymous posters or <i>about</i> them. I was going to write a comment here yesterday – then decided that because I’m not a civil servant, my concerns are of no value. However, it seems to me that there’s a category mistake being made here, in which anonymity is generalised from the social web to employment generally and from there to the entire Web. Not good.

Context is important here, and is the only setting in which the original comments about anonymity make sense. On that basis I would prefer that the context was referenced each time the discussion came up, to keep it distinct from the myriad situations where anonymity is both prudent and helpful.

In that vein, one example nobody has mentioned is the debilitating effect of fame, such that a well-known personality unduly shapes people’s opinions via popular standing. (On that basis, everyone should have a secret alter-ego!)

To sum up, blanket generalisations are unhelpful, regardless of whether they are made by anonymous posters or about them.

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By: Paul Caplan http://davepress.net/2008/03/19/how-not-to-blog-anonymously/comment-page-1/#comment-671 Paul Caplan Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:07:38 +0000 http://davepress.net/2008/03/19/how-not-to-blog-anonymously/#comment-671 I think it's worth noting that this discussion you guys are having carries more authenticity and weight because you both sign your posts. We as bystanders can find out more about you, contextualise your contributions and decide whether to have content relationships with you. If one or both of you had remained anonymous, the discussion would, in my eyes, have seemed less grounded and relevant. I think it’s worth noting that this discussion you guys are having carries more authenticity and weight because you both sign your posts. We as bystanders can find out more about you, contextualise your contributions and decide whether to have content relationships with you. If one or both of you had remained anonymous, the discussion would, in my eyes, have seemed less grounded and relevant.

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By: Joshua March http://davepress.net/2008/03/19/how-not-to-blog-anonymously/comment-page-1/#comment-670 Joshua March Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:52:55 +0000 http://davepress.net/2008/03/19/how-not-to-blog-anonymously/#comment-670 (I'm not trying to claim I was doing anything of the sort, or comparing the UK to a dictatorship or the mafia, just pointing out important uses of online anonymity) (I’m not trying to claim I was doing anything of the sort, or comparing the UK to a dictatorship or the mafia, just pointing out important uses of online anonymity)

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By: Joshua March http://davepress.net/2008/03/19/how-not-to-blog-anonymously/comment-page-1/#comment-669 Joshua March Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:51:55 +0000 http://davepress.net/2008/03/19/how-not-to-blog-anonymously/#comment-669 Just thought I'd throw one more thing into the equation here - at the Clay Shirky lecture at the RSA yesterday he talked about how social media tools allow groups to co-ordinate to rally against undemocratic governments or mafia. These are very successful, for example the <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22638014/" rel="nofollow">website which rallies businesses together to refuse to pay protection money in Sicily</a> - something which is only possibly because the creators of the website are able to anonymous. Otherwise, they would be killed. Similarly, <a href="http://www.andycarvin.com/archives/2006/05/belarus_flash_mobs_a.html" rel="nofollow">in Belarus teens use flash mobs to organise protests</a> - which they could not do if the identities of the original organisers became known. Just thought I’d throw one more thing into the equation here – at the Clay Shirky lecture at the RSA yesterday he talked about how social media tools allow groups to co-ordinate to rally against undemocratic governments or mafia. These are very successful, for example the website which rallies businesses together to refuse to pay protection money in Sicily – something which is only possibly because the creators of the website are able to anonymous. Otherwise, they would be killed. Similarly, in Belarus teens use flash mobs to organise protests – which they could not do if the identities of the original organisers became known.

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By: Dave http://davepress.net/2008/03/19/how-not-to-blog-anonymously/comment-page-1/#comment-668 Dave Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:33:49 +0000 http://davepress.net/2008/03/19/how-not-to-blog-anonymously/#comment-668 @ Josh - Again, though, it comes down to having to make the choice - you can't (and shouldn't expect to) have it both ways. It's common sense. If such a political virtual world existed, and I chose to contribute, I would do so in a way that accepted that at some point people could track my opinions back to me - and I really think that that is how it should be! You should have been able to publish what you were writing on the UK Libertarian under your own name without shame - the views you were expressing weren't offensive. But you obviously held back doing it in the open because you felt it might damage another area of your life, in which case I think it was best that you didn't blog it at all. You say the libertarian was for your enjoyment. But sometimes there are things we enjoy that for whatever reason we can't do anymore: by working closely with government, we can't do political blogging. By becoming Governor of New York, you can't sleep with prostitutes. It might seem unfair, but it's just the way things are. Again, I make the point: I don't say anything online that I wouldn't say in person. I think that's a good rule to live an online life by - and it's something I have learned myself by making mistakes. When I worked in local government a post from my blog was published in the local paper. I got a kicking over it from my managers, and rightly so. It was inappropriate. I've avoided blogging about anything to do with my employers since. @ Shane - good point, but occasional anonymity for making amusing or astute points is probably a different thing from having a long running blog discussing issues which may or may not have the potential to damage the author's credibility. Of course, I am in no place to tell people what they want to do. I would just never advise anyone to blog anonymously, and would never allow it in a system I develop (like the one I am working on now, for example, for further education). It encourages people to behave badly because they think they are safe, and it creates a house of cards which could cause a considerable amount of damage when it falls down. Which it will. @ Josh – Again, though, it comes down to having to make the choice – you can’t (and shouldn’t expect to) have it both ways. It’s common sense. If such a political virtual world existed, and I chose to contribute, I would do so in a way that accepted that at some point people could track my opinions back to me – and I really think that that is how it should be!

You should have been able to publish what you were writing on the UK Libertarian under your own name without shame – the views you were expressing weren’t offensive. But you obviously held back doing it in the open because you felt it might damage another area of your life, in which case I think it was best that you didn’t blog it at all.

You say the libertarian was for your enjoyment. But sometimes there are things we enjoy that for whatever reason we can’t do anymore: by working closely with government, we can’t do political blogging. By becoming Governor of New York, you can’t sleep with prostitutes. It might seem unfair, but it’s just the way things are.

Again, I make the point: I don’t say anything online that I wouldn’t say in person. I think that’s a good rule to live an online life by – and it’s something I have learned myself by making mistakes. When I worked in local government a post from my blog was published in the local paper. I got a kicking over it from my managers, and rightly so. It was inappropriate. I’ve avoided blogging about anything to do with my employers since.

@ Shane – good point, but occasional anonymity for making amusing or astute points is probably a different thing from having a long running blog discussing issues which may or may not have the potential to damage the author’s credibility.

Of course, I am in no place to tell people what they want to do. I would just never advise anyone to blog anonymously, and would never allow it in a system I develop (like the one I am working on now, for example, for further education). It encourages people to behave badly because they think they are safe, and it creates a house of cards which could cause a considerable amount of damage when it falls down. Which it will.

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By: Joshua March http://davepress.net/2008/03/19/how-not-to-blog-anonymously/comment-page-1/#comment-667 Joshua March Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:33:31 +0000 http://davepress.net/2008/03/19/how-not-to-blog-anonymously/#comment-667 Hi Shane, Thanks for the back-up - the Chatham House Rule is a great example. It shows that there is (and always has been) a need to be able to speak freely without having to worry about those views being aligned with your company, organisation or professional reputation. Again I would like to draw a line between myself and people who blog anonymously about their work, employees or colleagues - I was doing none of these things, it was a blog about ideas, and had no relation whatsoever to my work. The reason it was anonymous is because despite it having no relation to my work most people would still connect them, which may be 'unfair' but is just life. Hi Shane,

Thanks for the back-up – the Chatham House Rule is a great example. It shows that there is (and always has been) a need to be able to speak freely without having to worry about those views being aligned with your company, organisation or professional reputation.

Again I would like to draw a line between myself and people who blog anonymously about their work, employees or colleagues – I was doing none of these things, it was a blog about ideas, and had no relation whatsoever to my work. The reason it was anonymous is because despite it having no relation to my work most people would still connect them, which may be ‘unfair’ but is just life.

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By: ShaneMcC http://davepress.net/2008/03/19/how-not-to-blog-anonymously/comment-page-1/#comment-666 ShaneMcC Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:21:18 +0000 http://davepress.net/2008/03/19/how-not-to-blog-anonymously/#comment-666 Being in a similar situation to Joshua in that it helps to be seen to be politically neutral in order to do our work, I can see the benefits of anonymity in blogging and commenting. Being dogmatically opposed to anonymity does not take account of the reality that some people might have valuable (or amusing) contributions to make despite not wanting to put their name to it in public. Is there not some parallel with the Chatham House Rules: The Chatham House Rule reads as follows: "When a meeting, or part thereof, is held under the Chatham House Rule, participants are free to use the information received, but neither the identity nor the affiliation of the speaker(s), nor that of any other participant, may be revealed". The world-famous Chatham House Rule may be invoked at meetings to encourage openness and the sharing of information. http://www.chathamhouse.org.uk/about/chathamhouserule/ Being in a similar situation to Joshua in that it helps to be seen to be politically neutral in order to do our work, I can see the benefits of anonymity in blogging and commenting.

Being dogmatically opposed to anonymity does not take account of the reality that some people might have valuable (or amusing) contributions to make despite not wanting to put their name to it in public.

Is there not some parallel with the Chatham House Rules:

The Chatham House Rule reads as follows:
“When a meeting, or part thereof, is held under the Chatham House Rule, participants are free to use the information received, but neither the identity nor the affiliation of the speaker(s), nor that of any other participant, may be revealed”.

The world-famous Chatham House Rule may be invoked at meetings to encourage openness and the sharing of information.

http://www.chathamhouse.org.uk/about/chathamhouserule/

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By: Joshua March http://davepress.net/2008/03/19/how-not-to-blog-anonymously/comment-page-1/#comment-665 Joshua March Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:19:32 +0000 http://davepress.net/2008/03/19/how-not-to-blog-anonymously/#comment-665 The point of the blog was very clear, and stated - to learn. I wanted to put views out, possibly radical, so that I could hear arguments against them. I could then either argue against those or change my position. I had no intention of trying to change anything - if I did I would go into politics, and then would be very open about my views. You're right, if I was running a virtual business in second life then that would require openness. But I wasn't running a virtual business - I wasn't trying to 'do' anything, other than blog and get feedback on the blog - for my own personal enjoyment. I don't think you can claim the comparison is not valid because I created an alter-ego using a blog rather than a virtual world client. For example, what if a 'political' virtual world was created, maybe even an island in Second Life, where users could create virtual political avatars and go and debate? Second life is just a graphical tool to allow interaction between users. The point of the blog was very clear, and stated – to learn. I wanted to put views out, possibly radical, so that I could hear arguments against them. I could then either argue against those or change my position.

I had no intention of trying to change anything – if I did I would go into politics, and then would be very open about my views.

You’re right, if I was running a virtual business in second life then that would require openness. But I wasn’t running a virtual business – I wasn’t trying to ‘do’ anything, other than blog and get feedback on the blog – for my own personal enjoyment. I don’t think you can claim the comparison is not valid because I created an alter-ego using a blog rather than a virtual world client.

For example, what if a ‘political’ virtual world was created, maybe even an island in Second Life, where users could create virtual political avatars and go and debate? Second life is just a graphical tool to allow interaction between users.

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